Windows Mobile update is broken, how about ROM update OTA via AppToDate? |
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 May 2 2008, 16:16
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 The Main Man  Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III  |
Since the dawn of Windows Mobile time, there has been talk of 'over the air' device updating.
Microsoft has built Windows Update into the OS and nobody uses it, and everybody blames everybody else for the fact that today, we still can't keep our devices up to date without tethering with a PC. A real pain if, like me, you don't generally tether due to using Exchange, and even more of a pain if, like me, you use a Mac  Fellow MVP Mauricio Freitas actually wrote about this recently entitled 'Windows Mobile update distribution is broken', and he's spot on. While the people who supply us our devices decide who takes responsibility for deploying our updates, and as scores of users take to trying 'Cooked ROMs' to get the features they want, why not develop an OTA (Over The Air) update method of our own? It sure is possible using the work already done by others on custom bootloaders, and the work i've already done with AppToDate. Check out the video, and remember you can grab AppToDate here! P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 2 2008, 16:36
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 Staff Team Leader Group: Admin Team Posts: 16,374 Joined: 24th November 2002 From: Southampton Member No.: 53 Device(s): Vario |
Nice one
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May 2 2008, 16:57
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 Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 5,401 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
Isn't AP4.0 for the Athena already in AppToDate?
And OliPro has now merged with cmonex to become Olinex
-------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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May 2 2008, 17:12
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
AP4 is in ATD, and there's no reason a future update can't be OTA in this way. All that's required on the client is a copy of ATD!
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 2 2008, 17:53
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Newbie  Group: Posters Posts: 13 Joined: 25th January 2005 Member No.: 106,765 Device(s): SPV C500 |
Hi,
The device will use a lot of power when using WiFi, what about low battery level and flashing? Does the updater check for consistency before flashing of the image? |
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May 2 2008, 17:55
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
Good thinking, i'll build that in
 P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 2 2008, 18:40
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 Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 28 Joined: 26th May 2004 Member No.: 44,556 Device(s): Atom Life |
Clearly, this ROCKS!! Good Job P.
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May 5 2008, 07:50
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 40 Joined: 19th May 2003 Member No.: 6,428 |
Since i updated, when i reboot my device it is stuch in bootloader modus. I am almost sure it is due to apptodate. No problemo, but any idea how to fix, because now i cannot get into my TyTN II.
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May 5 2008, 08:02
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 40 Joined: 19th May 2003 Member No.: 6,428 |
Odd, Connected my TyTN II to Laptop, and then it booted normally.
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May 5 2008, 08:12
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 |_-_-_-_-_-_-_| Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 1,255 Joined: 31st December 2004 From: Near Norwich, UK Member No.: 104,092 Device(s): T-Mobile MDA Vario III |
How does it work? Where is the ROM hosted? Phone company website or someone else?
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May 5 2008, 08:26
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TyTNic !  Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 364 Joined: 26th November 2007 From: Right Here, Right Now! Member No.: 326,361 Device(s): T-Mobile MDA Vario III |
I think this is the cue for me to mention again the idea of chaining together app installs and re-installs.
Supposing you flash your ROM, and it wipes all data. Then how about the idea of it finding app to date on the SDHC card. It could then install app to date automagically. App to date could hold a cache of your installed applications and serial numbers, and reinstall them to the correct locations as appropriate. I guess it doesn't even need to support app to date for application updating, but thats the extra bonus. -------------------- --
T-Mobile MDA Vario III - 8GB SD HC Asus EEE PC 4GB Black 702 - Pimped with 2GB RAM, 16GB SD HC Class 6, Bluetooth. |
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May 5 2008, 08:33
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
QUOTE(ghozd @ May 5 2008, 08:50)  Since i updated, when i reboot my device it is stuch in bootloader modus. I am almost sure it is due to apptodate. No problemo, but any idea how to fix, because now i cannot get into my TyTN II. Updated what? There's no way ATD could make your device get stuck in bootloader! P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 5 2008, 08:33
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
QUOTE(tsutton @ May 5 2008, 09:12) How does it work? Where is the ROM hosted? Phone company website or someone else? ROM can be hosted anywhere! P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 5 2008, 08:34
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
QUOTE(WearTheFoxHat @ May 5 2008, 09:26) I think this is the cue for me to mention again the idea of chaining together app installs and re-installs. Supposing you flash your ROM, and it wipes all data. Then how about the idea of it finding app to date on the SDHC card. It could then install app to date automagically. App to date could hold a cache of your installed applications and serial numbers, and reinstall them to the correct locations as appropriate. I guess it doesn't even need to support app to date for application updating, but thats the extra bonus. The first stage of this exists already, you can save your app list and CABs to SD... the reinstall featureset will grow over time. P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 5 2008, 08:39
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TyTNic ! Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 364 Joined: 26th November 2007 From: Right Here, Right Now! Member No.: 326,361 Device(s): T-Mobile MDA Vario III |
Fantastic
Have I missed a thread on this one? Should the CAB's be put into a certain folder structure, or just all dumped into one big folder? -------------------- --
T-Mobile MDA Vario III - 8GB SD HC Asus EEE PC 4GB Black 702 - Pimped with 2GB RAM, 16GB SD HC Class 6, Bluetooth. |
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May 5 2008, 09:10
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The Main Man Group: Admin Team Posts: 18,021 Joined: 6th November 2002 From: Norwich, UK Member No.: 1 Device(s): MDA Vario III |
It currently supports apps that are AppToDate supported, and doesn't re-use downloaded CABs, yet...
P -------------------- Paul O'Brien - Microsoft MVP, Mobile Devices, MoDaCo.network Founder. Read my Blog or get your own on MoDaCo! Free 2.25GB online backup from Mozy... Click here for details! MACHEIST IS BACK! Click Here to check out the uber-bundle of apps for you Mac! Check out MUPromo bundle too :D |
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May 5 2008, 16:44
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 23 Joined: 27th March 2006 Member No.: 180,111 |
QUOTE(Paul (MVP) @ May 5 2008, 10:34) The first stage of this exists already, you can save your app list and CABs to SD... the reinstall featureset will grow over time. P Will there also be the option to select a folder by yourself. Now the folder is apptodatecabs and is put in the root of your SD-card. I'm the kind of guy who wants to keep the root as clean as possible. ;) So the 17 MB ROM file will also be written to the storage card .... as I understand correctly ? Anyway I'm impressed by the video and can't understand why all the different upgrade programs (Windows Update, Webis Update, Resco Update) can't combine their efforts and use one simple upgrade standard. This is again one of the modaco programs which makes life more easier. |
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May 5 2008, 21:12
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 3 Joined: 7th November 2007 Member No.: 319,709 Device(s): AT&T Tilt w/ Tocuh FLo |
QUOTE(Paul (MVP) @ May 5 2008, 00:33) Updated what? There's no way ATD could make your device get stuck in bootloader! P Come on Paul, that's your answer? To the gentleman stuck in BL, Paul is right, ATD didn't do this. Most likely its an RUU flag from the flash being incomplete or just not clearing the BL instruction. You can usually fix this in MTTY issuing the RRU Flag clear command. Look for tri-color or stuck in boot loader over in forum.xda-developers.com, FYI most noobies call it tri-color, but you see I've walked probably a hundred thru recovery. BTW, Nice point Paul! Could come in handy indeed. This post has been edited by gsleon3: May 5 2008, 21:16 |
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May 6 2008, 06:21
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Peanut Brain Group: MoDaCo Plus Posts: 5,401 Joined: 10th September 2004 From: Surrey, England Member No.: 56,072 Device(s): Athena, Qtek 8500 |
What Paul said was that it is nothing to do with ATD - if he was running an RUU then he needs to look to that for the answer to his question.
-------------------- He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
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May 7 2008, 21:05
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Newbie Group: Posters Posts: 40 Joined: 19th May 2003 Member No.: 6,428 |
So, i updated AppToDate. (Through ATD) . Next time i had to reset my device i got stuck in bootloader menu. EVERYTIME i tried to reset the device
Then i connected my TyTN II to my laptop , tried to reset again, and i started normally, but every time i resetted my device Without hooked up to my laptop when i reset the device it would enter the bootloader. Really odd. So i started the device again (while beiing connected to my laptop), removed ATD, disconnected from my laptop and tried a reset. This time it resetted normally. I have no idea how this is possible, i only know for sure this is what happened. |
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